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JLonebear wrote:

Hi all,
If dealt KK in a .10/.25 NLHE cash gm, whats the best opening bet? I like to bet 4x BB but I either get too much or too little action! I play 10 player tbls. It seems I get out-flopped or rivered 75% by an ace or set. I bet pot on flop & ppl still call/chase. How do I "fix" this?
:helpme

Hi all,
If dealt KK in a .10/.25 NLHE cash gm, whats the best opening bet? I like to bet 4x BB but I either get too much or too little action! I play 10 player tbls. It seems I get out-flopped or rivered 75% by an ace or set. I bet pot on flop & ppl still call/chase. How do I "fix" this?
:helpme

Observe your table, is it very agressive open higher, is it passive try 3xBB.

If you're UTG or UTG +1 limp/reraise pf once in a while.

Don't auto pot bet train on painted or connected flops - go with 2/3 pot rather.

Identify opponents chasing against odds and punish them.

More times than not they won't hit - 4 flush and 4 straight complete under 40% on turn and river, pairs hit their set about 10% of the time.
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The other day at foxwoods 80 buck turbo bounty game, i was caught pushing with a 10 off thou i won the hand the table wasnt to appricative of the play, seeing i busted the guys KK. the following hand i ended up A A under the gun, i pushed all in. The table was pissed at me, making comments, i loved it. i got called by the small blind with KJ suited. whew he flopped two hearts i almost just walked for the door. but AA prevailed.
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Hitting dry in a sit and go, i joined another turbo game, first 5 hands ak suited, a a , 10 10 and JJ then went cold, then hitting qq in the big blind, but of course as i tried to push the middle position has KK. Yikes...there goes more chips...two hands later JJ, i limp hitting a J on the flop , no flush draws, the turn is a 9..i went all in..of course i get called by the same guy holding A A , the river is a A..i think thats the first time i cried at the table😔
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Nexrum wrote:

Hitting dry in a sit and go, i joined another turbo game, first 5 hands ak suited, a a , 10 10 and JJ then went cold, then hitting qq in the big blind, but of course as i tried to push the middle position has KK. Yikes...there goes more chips...two hands later JJ, i limp hitting a J on the flop , no flush draws, the turn is a 9..i went all in..of course i get called by the same guy holding A A , the river is a A..i think thats the first time i cried at the table😔

Man that was brutal sry 2 hear man well better luck next time on the table gl
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Nexrum wrote:

The other day at foxwoods 80 buck turbo bounty game, i was caught pushing with a 10 off thou i won the hand the table wasnt to appricative of the play, seeing i busted the guys KK. the following hand i ended up A A under the gun, i pushed all in. The table was pissed at me, making comments, i loved it. i got called by the small blind with KJ suited. whew he flopped two hearts i almost just walked for the door. but AA prevailed.

Just want 2 know were u chip leader or in the middle when u called the first hand because thats what happend 2 me as well get called with crap but the second had nice 1 gl
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Graf Karow wrote:

Hi all,
If dealt KK in a .10/.25 NLHE cash gm, whats the best opening bet? I like to bet 4x BB but I either get too much or too little action! I play 10 player tbls. It seems I get out-flopped or rivered 75% by an ace or set. I bet pot on flop & ppl still call/chase. How do I "fix" this?
:helpme

Observe your table, is it very agressive open higher, is it passive try 3xBB.

If you're UTG or UTG +1 limp/reraise pf once in a while.

Don't auto pot bet train on painted or connected flops - go with 2/3 pot rather.

Identify opponents chasing against odds and punish them.

More times than not they won't hit - 4 flush and 4 straight complete under 40% on turn and river, pairs hit their set about 10% of the time.

I useally bet 3.5 big blind if i get a caller i raise on the flop 2 see where i stand if there is a Ace on the flop i might let up abit just 2 see
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I have question.
Had AJ same suite, and raise $20 (1/2 NL)
4 people were playing, and i made flop nut flush.
First action, so i bet $20, and 2 people called.
Turn card was nothing, but river card paired the board.
When i bet $60, some one raise me $160.
in this situation, are u going to fold, call, or raise?
Join: 2009/08/13 Messages: 71
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Playin in a $2 MTT right now and i've been card for 33 hands. Had QQ got 1 caller. A came on the river n he mini re-raises my bet. I fold bcos it's still early, i think im beat...Then the only hand after that would of been 7Ts UTG which would of won me a fullhouse but who's playin 7T UTG?
Anyways my other cards have been rubbish. no point in raising bcos every1 is limpin early pos and the table is callin most raises. But how do u play the early stages of these competitions? I know u play tight n play ur premium cards aggressive, but there's gotta be a better strategy in these micro stakes where's it's filled with callin stations to rape them.
ooooh i jus got KK n the big stack in BB calls with 67. he hits 2pair on flop. i catch a K on turn. Whey! \o/ still tho i've only got 3500 chips now and the blinds are 40/80.
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I would like to give a standing ovation to Leonor Margets for her great stand at the 40th Annual WSOP Main Event. Her A-7 could not stand strong to the A-10 of Zachey in a pre-flop all-in showdown. A fearless princess, feared by all at her table for her aggressive play and her ability to double-up when needed. Facing multiple eliminations throughout the tournament and facing down all coming her way, Leo Margets stood as the lone woman left. Well deserved, congratulations:thumbsup
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Just wondering. I can't stand using them....USe your brain or u aint got no game I say hahahah
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moonlapse88 wrote:

Just wondering. I can't stand using them....USe your brain or u aint got no game I say hahahah

I'd have to agree with you. i have tried some in the past but didn't really find them much use.
I think software like PT3 and such like are much more widely used by plp in the poker community!
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better to win with the best hand - (Yes - No)

better to win with the worst hand- (Yes - No)

i don't mean donking all ur chips in first hand in a freeroll - i mean while playing at at table (cash or tourney) and how you play!

personally if you can win with the worst hand - proves your worth (maybe)

but then again how many times have you had those aces cracked? (gazillions!)

what u think?
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What is a good ROI for low stakes SitnGo Tourneys?
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moonlapse88 wrote:

Just wondering. I can't stand using them....USe your brain or u aint got no game I say hahahah

I dont use them. they dont really help if you dont know how to bet and play your hand anyways.
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I've played poker off and on most of my life. I've never had a coach. That is not to say I have not met and talked poker with poker players that do it for a living... because I have. The players I'm speaking about... you have never heard of... it was before all the hype..TV ... etc. I'm not sure everyone could get anything from a Poker Coach... but I'm sure some players could benefit greatly from it. So I won't put down Poker Coaches, but there are many things about the game of poker that really can't be taught so much as they need to be experienced, felt, judged, reasoned, instinctively retained.

We all talk about levels of poker. That is a subject that I don't think everyone can agree totally on. Some would suggest that you are not at a high level of play unless you play for a very high stake. Many players and analyst will agree and disagree with that statement. I know that some players that routinely play for high stakes, do not always play at a high level of play. The amount of money,IMO, doesn't always mean you are the best player. The amount of money you play for, if it isn't in a comfort zone for you, surely could affect your ability to make good judgement calls, folds... etc. , but I don't think it should be the ONLY barometer for determining whether or not someone is a good player.

I like to think of poker as a contest of skill... not totally a game of chance and gambling. I like the idea of competition when I think of the game of poker...not how much money is on the table. Money is just a way of keeping score .. more or less. Of course, you need to play for what you can afford(or want to) and not what someone else thinks or determines makes a good player. The competition, not the money, is what drives me when I play poker. I'm not saying that winning money isn't on my mind when I play.... sure it is.. but it is not the only thing that drives my desire to play this game that I love.

MTT's or any tournament is a good example of a competition in poker. You pay your money...or enter... and from that point on... all players start out with the same amount of chips. Who ever ends up with them all ... wins. There is no losing all your chips and reaching in your pocket .. pulling out more money and continuing to play.. now..I know rebuys and add ons are an exception.. but even then.. when that first hour is over... all you have to play with is those chips in play. I like this because it puts some pressure on you to play with what you have and only what you have. Beating the game and trying to out do the other players is what it's about. The money will come after it is done.
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datsme53 wrote:

I've played poker off and on most of my life. I've never had a coach. That is not to say I have not met and talked poker with poker players that do it for a living... because I have. The players I'm speaking about... you have never heard of... it was before all the hype..TV ... etc. I'm not sure everyone could get anything from a Poker Coach... but I'm sure some players could benefit greatly from it. So I won't put down Poker Coaches, but there are many things about the game of poker that really can't be taught so much as they need to be experienced, felt, judged, reasoned, instinctively retained.

We all talk about levels of poker. That is a subject that I don't think everyone can agree totally on. Some would suggest that you are not at a high level of play unless you play for a very high stake. Many players and analyst will agree and disagree with that statement. I know that some players that routinely play for high stakes, do not always play at a high level of play. The amount of money,IMO, doesn't always mean you are the best player. The amount of money you play for, if it isn't in a comfort zone for you, surely could affect your ability to make good judgement calls, folds... etc. , but I don't think it should be the ONLY barometer for determining whether or not someone is a good player.

I like to think of poker as a contest of skill... not totally a game of chance and gambling. I like the idea of competition when I think of the game of poker...not how much money is on the table. Money is just a way of keeping score .. more or less. Of course, you need to play for what you can afford(or want to) and not what someone else thinks or determines makes a good player. The competition, not the money, is what drives me when I play poker. I'm not saying that winning money isn't on my mind when I play.... sure it is.. but it is not the only thing that drives my desire to play this game that I love.

MTT's or any tournament is a good example of a competition in poker. You pay your money...or enter... and from that point on... all players start out with the same amount of chips. Who ever ends up with them all ... wins. There is no losing all your chips and reaching in your pocket .. pulling out more money and continuing to play.. now..I know rebuys and add ons are an exception.. but even then.. when that first hour is over... all you have to play with is those chips in play. I like this because it puts some pressure on you to play with what you have and only what you have. Beating the game and trying to out do the other players is what it's about. The money will come after it is done.

Well for starters I've never used one....

good idea though, lots of people read books on poker to improve their game, so why not use a coach, anything that can improve your game can only be good. As you said you chat with friends / poker players to improve your game...so you are getting coached in a way! And I'd be pretty sure everybody else does the same.

in regards to high stakes etc. I've seen plenty of bad play at high stakes play and good bankroll management will keep you at the right level of stakes to play at!
playing higher stakes than you should / or can afford is always a bad idea and won't prove you to be any better of a poker player! quite the opposite.

I would agree with your ideas as to regarding competition rather than the money as you spoke about. Everybody i'm sure wants the prize at the end regardless!! whether its $10 or $10000.

also agree with your point about MTT definitely the best, start on a level playing field is the way to prove your how good you are...ok sometimes players get lucky but if you look at the likes of TV tourneys etc...generally the same people are there or thereabouts.
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Its much more likely that I take down the pot if both players miss the flop in a HU pot.

It is easier to float a flop in position than OOP (duh). I can then act last on later streets and stealstealsteal.


River decisions with a good-not-great hand are MUCH easier if you have position.

More information to base decisions on.

easier to control the pot size

can check behind for free card for draws

if it's heads up, I can close the action

stealing the blinds

folding mediocre hands like AJ preflop

you will much more often see 5 cards when behind on the flop

it's easier to isolate a bad player when you have position on him

Its where you are able to create your image so you can get paid off with big hands

It is easier to threaten all of your opponents chips with out actually committing your own.

Able to play draws easier when in position, as you can usually dictate the action (whether or not to raise flop/bet turns/etc).

Hope this will give newbies and not so newbies someting to cogitate on.:thumbsup
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MHect wrote:

What is a good ROI for low stakes SitnGo Tourneys?

Your question is so vague I am not sure how to reply. However if its ROI your looking for in small field games satellites offer the best chance of a return.Look for games paying 20-30% of starting field Your roi is smaller than the typical sng but your odds of winning are increased substantially than reg sng paying 10% of field.
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tallseas wrote:

Your question is so vague I am not sure how to reply. However if its ROI your looking for in small field games satellites offer the best chance of a return.Look for games paying 20-30% of starting field Your roi is smaller than the typical sng but your odds of winning are increased substantially than reg sng paying 10% of field.

According to the book Secrets of Sit'n'gos, by Phil Shaw, expect a ROI of 15% at the low stakes($5-100).

Mid Stakes(100-499) 10%
High Stakes(500+) 5%

These stats are for 9 player(with 3 payouts) Sngs.

However, I think you can get a better return at the $5-20 Sngs. Also, by playing double ups and beginner Sngs (bodog) your ROI should increase.
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You either make it or break it in Texas Hold'em poker. To win the pot, you have to do a lot of thinking, analyzing, and calculating. You also need a lot of guts, patience, and cunning. If you just go with the flow without a strategy in mind,chances are, you will lose your money to the one who uses an effective strategy. So for you to get that prize, read the tips below and practice them whenever you play poker.

Poker tip 1: Choose the games appropriate for your skill level.

You don't compete with an all-time boxing champ if you are only an amateur. Neither do you sit at a pro poker table and compete with the likes of Doyle Brunson, Chris Moneymaker, and Amarillo Slim if you've only started playing the game two months ago. You'll get yourself kicked off the table in no time—not to mention, you'll be the secret butt of jokes among the pros. So instead, sit at the tables with players who have the same level of skill as you do to make a profitable play.

Poker tip 2: Pick the games that you can afford with your bankroll.

It is often tempting to move up to a $5/10 game after winning $30 at a $2/4 game. But the disadvantage of moving to higher-stakes games is that their blinds increase more than twice the blinds in less expensive games every interval. The skill levels in higher-stakes games go up, too. And if you're not ready to play against sharks and more experienced poker players, you can lose your winnings easily and quickly. So if you're making money at the lower-stakes tables, stay there until you are ready to go on to another level.

Poker tip 3: “Read” your opponents before looking at your cards.

Novice players show a lot of “tells” or signs that reveal the strength of their hands. The tells are most evident on the first instance players see their cards. Some players smirk, smile or frown, while others appear too eager to play the round. If you know you are playing with novices, skip the excitement of peeking at your cards as soon as you get them. Instead, observe your opponents' faces to get a hint of the quality of their hands. Afterwards, look at your cards and decide if you will play them or not.

Poker tip 4: Memorize your hands and the hand rankings.

Many poker players remember only the number, color, and face (king, queen, jack) of their cards but forget to check the suits. When the community cards (flop, turn, river) are laid and show a potential flush, players tend to recheck their hands and accidentally show tells. To avoid showing tells, memorize the number, face, and suits of your hands upon seeing them.

Poker tip 5: Play poker only when you are in a good and relaxed mood.

People who play in a bad mood tend to start out on tilt—that is, playing emotionally and not rationally. Their mood affects their game play and invite observant opponents to take advantage of their emotions. To play poker well, make sure that you are in a good mood and are relaxed. If you find yourself playing emotionally, take a break and come back to the table when you feel better.


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