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Due to the ongoing financial crisis in Russia, many industry analysts believe that now more than ever online poker could become legalized and regulated in the country.

It is estimated that as many as 20 percent of Russia's population of 144 million is playing poker on the Internet and contributing a huge amount of liquidity to online poker rooms. Former British MP and International Business Times contributor Paul Keetch reported that 8.4 percent of the PokerStars customer base is from Russia, according to data from the world's largest poker room.

Since poker is not regulated in Russia, it is believed that the government is currently not receiving any tax revenue from gaming operators. The rumors surrounding online poker regulation therefore not only have the attention of the poker community, but taxation specialists as well.

Russian poker player Maxim Katz recently commented about this, stating that, "In particular, poker went underground after the ban. The game did decline, but not for long. And the [national] budget stopped receiving taxes."

Rumors began heating up earlier in the year when news broke that the Russian government is considering designating poker as a game of skill. Many believe this could help open the doors in creating a regulated online poker licensing scheme in the country.

This viewpoint also has the endorsement of the World Chess Federation, with the head of the organization, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, stating to the International Business Times that "Concerning online poker and its legalization in Russia, it should be legalized; too many people are involved and are playing online. There are no reasons that it should be hidden and illegal. I've prepared my proposals concerning legalisation of online poker in Russia and have presented them to the Russian government. And I am working together with the government in order to allow online poker to become an intellectual sport in Russia."

Ilyumzhinov's support is believed to be influential, as the multi-millionaire businessman has the ear of Russian President Vladimir Putin and is also been influential with the Kremlin in the past.


Taxation May Lead the Way To Online Poker Legislation in Russia | PokerNews

Financial crisis is good for Russia maybe the learn something from it! :dirol
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Russian poker pro Alex “joiso” Kostritsyn won $710,000 over the past seven days on the Internet, according to tracking data from HighstakeDB. It was the most in the online poker world during the stretch.

It took him roughly 9,400 hands to win the amount, which bested “supernova9” ($438,000), Ben “Sauce123” Sulsky ($214,000), “fjutekk” ($136,000) and Mikael “ChaoRen160” Thuritz ($102,000). Kostritsyn put in more volume than anyone on the leader board.

Kostritsyn was the winner of the third largest pot of the week, a $171,000 hand on Tuesday at PokerStars’ $250-$500 pot-limit Omaha, without getting to showdown.

Playing three-handed against “Trueteller” and Viktor “Isildur1” Blom, Kostritsyn raised a button opening bet from Blom to $5,000, and Trueteller four-bet to $16,500. Blom surrendered his $1,500, and Kostritsyn made the call with roughly $120,000 behind versus Trueteller’s $240,000 stack.


(Players who lost small on the week include Dan “w00ki3z” Cates and Alex “Kanu7” Millar. Cates, who had a rare losing year in 2015, has been stuck in reverse to the tune of $430,000 so far in 2016. Only Millar (-$574,000) has lost more.)



Online Poker: Alex Kostritsyn Wins $700K In A Week
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Manne wrote:

Russian poker pro Alex “joiso” Kostritsyn won $710,000 over the past seven days on the Internet, according to tracking data from HighstakeDB. It was the most in the online poker world during the stretch.

It took him roughly 9,400 hands to win the amount, which bested “supernova9” ($438,000), Ben “Sauce123” Sulsky ($214,000), “fjutekk” ($136,000) and Mikael “ChaoRen160” Thuritz ($102,000). Kostritsyn put in more volume than anyone on the leader board.

Kostritsyn was the winner of the third largest pot of the week, a $171,000 hand on Tuesday at PokerStars’ $250-$500 pot-limit Omaha, without getting to showdown.

Playing three-handed against “Trueteller” and Viktor “Isildur1” Blom, Kostritsyn raised a button opening bet from Blom to $5,000, and Trueteller four-bet to $16,500. Blom surrendered his $1,500, and Kostritsyn made the call with roughly $120,000 behind versus Trueteller’s $240,000 stack.


(Players who lost small on the week include Dan “w00ki3z” Cates and Alex “Kanu7” Millar. Cates, who had a rare losing year in 2015, has been stuck in reverse to the tune of $430,000 so far in 2016. Only Millar (-$574,000) has lost more.)



Online Poker: Alex Kostritsyn Wins $700K In A Week

More money to the rich people :1orglaugh
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snobben wrote:

More money to the rich people :1orglaugh

Alex Kostritsyn has lost a ton of money before.
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Ongoing budget talks in the Empire State include online poker as a possible tax revenue stream, which could provide a route for an online poker bill on the table to become law.

An outline of the budget proposal, Senate Resolution No. R4330, lists online poker as one of many possible ways to help form a spending plan worth roughly $150 billion. The inclusion of Internet poker in the budget proposal was first reported by OnlinePokerReport.

The online poker bill cleared the Senate’s Racing, Gaming and Wagering Committee last month, but hasn’t had any action since. The legislation is with the Senate’s Finance Committee for further consideration. The New York Senate first indicated it was open to online poker regulation as part of a budget plan in 2013, but it didn’t end up being included.

The New York online poker market could be worth more than $120 million in the first 12 months after launch, according to industry estimates. A tax rate of 15 percent has been proposed, in addition to initial licensing fees paid to the state.

In neighboring Pennsylvania, online casino games are being seriously considered as part of the Keystone State’s long-overdue budget deal. The author of the Pennsylvania online poker bill told Card Player last year that the proposal was put on hold until this spring.



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The $154 billion New York budget proposal contains the possibility that online poker could be legalised and regulated to bring more money into the coffers of the state.

Will New York legalise online poker?

I’m not sure about that, but the paperwork that will ultimately force the state to see sense is still causing paper cuts throughout the halls of political power in the Big Apple.

Senators and Assemblymen who support the legalisation and regulation of online poker have been throwing bills at archaic institutions with more frequency than Phil Taylor throws his darts at that sliver of red.

Most of them eventually miss the board.

The politicians walk over, pick them up, tighten them up, and go back to the oche to throw them again. It’s not a strategy that’s been working very effectively. Or perhaps it is? Perhaps we have to eat slowly away at the cliff face over time?

The one bill that’s currently battering that cliff face is S 5302. Submitted in May 2015 by Senator John Bonacic it passed the Senate Racing, Gaming and Wagering Committee by a vote of 9-0 in Feb 2016. Bonacic is the chairman of that committee. The next stage was for the bill to find its way to the Senate Financial Committee for further eyeballing and that’s where it remains.

Speaking about that move at the time Poker Players Alliance (PPA) Executive Director, John Pappas urged the Finance Committee ‘to move quickly to usher legislation through the Senate.’

That didn’t happen, but what has happened is the New York Senate has included the wording of the bill in their $154 billion budget bill due for a rubber stamp in April. It could be significant. It might not. Perhaps, it’s included with a barrage of other potential cash generators on a ‘just in case’ basis, or they could be seriously considering the $10m license fees and 15% taxation that online poker would generate.

The Stars Are Aligning

OK, I know my only understanding of politics comes from House of Cards, but I don’t believe online poker is illegal in the state of New York because there is a fear New Yorkers will suddenly develop gambling addictions. There will be something else at work.

Take Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) as an example. The sport has exploded on a global level in recent years, and everyone except the most hardened boxing fan has to admit that the art of the pugilist has turned into a tickling contest when compared to the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC).

However, New York is the only state in the US where MMA is illegal. Here’s the best bit and why I loathe politics so much. The story presented regarding the illegality of MMA is one of barbarity. However, UFC president Dana White has a different view, and one I think carries a lot of weight. Speaking to europe-newsweek-com White said of the ban:

“It has nothing to do with mixed martial arts. It has to do with the Culinary Union. The Culinary Union is spending millions of dollars of all these people who pay dues to keep us out of there because my partners, the Fertitta brothers, are the largest non-union gaming company in the country.”

It seems someone may have done something to please the Culinary Union because the State Assembly recently passed a bill to legalize the sport, and it reportedly has the backing of New York State Governor Andrew M. Cuomo.

While online poker might not have the strength to bring the cliff walls crashing down. The persistent battering of online poker, MMA and Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS) might do the job. Regulation of DFS is also included in April’s budget plan.

In an article written by the New York Times, Assemblyman Daniel O’Donnell, a Democrat who opposes the MMA bill said: “When will it stop? When will we simply say: ‘You know what? We don’t have to go along with every other state?”

And if the real reasons behind the lock down on online poker and DFS was because of fears of gambling problems, and the lock down on MMA was the fear of people putting ankle locks on strangers in the street, then he would have a point.

But it’s not is it?

Some people think it’s about money.

I tend to side with Frank Underwood’s view on things:

“Money is the Mc-mansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. Power is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who doesn’t see the difference.”





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Manne wrote:

The $154 billion New York budget proposal contains the possibility that online poker could be legalised and regulated to bring more money into the coffers of the state.

Will New York legalise online poker?

I’m not sure about that, but the paperwork that will ultimately force the state to see sense is still causing paper cuts throughout the halls of political power in the Big Apple.

Senators and Assemblymen who support the legalisation and regulation of online poker have been throwing bills at archaic institutions with more frequency than Phil Taylor throws his darts at that sliver of red.

Most of them eventually miss the board.

The politicians walk over, pick them up, tighten them up, and go back to the oche to throw them again. It’s not a strategy that’s been working very effectively. Or perhaps it is? Perhaps we have to eat slowly away at the cliff face over time?

The one bill that’s currently battering that cliff face is S 5302. Submitted in May 2015 by Senator John Bonacic it passed the Senate Racing, Gaming and Wagering Committee by a vote of 9-0 in Feb 2016. Bonacic is the chairman of that committee. The next stage was for the bill to find its way to the Senate Financial Committee for further eyeballing and that’s where it remains.

Speaking about that move at the time Poker Players Alliance (PPA) Executive Director, John Pappas urged the Finance Committee ‘to move quickly to usher legislation through the Senate.’

That didn’t happen, but what has happened is the New York Senate has included the wording of the bill in their $154 billion budget bill due for a rubber stamp in April. It could be significant. It might not. Perhaps, it’s included with a barrage of other potential cash generators on a ‘just in case’ basis, or they could be seriously considering the $10m license fees and 15% taxation that online poker would generate.

The Stars Are Aligning

OK, I know my only understanding of politics comes from House of Cards, but I don’t believe online poker is illegal in the state of New York because there is a fear New Yorkers will suddenly develop gambling addictions. There will be something else at work.

Take Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) as an example. The sport has exploded on a global level in recent years, and everyone except the most hardened boxing fan has to admit that the art of the pugilist has turned into a tickling contest when compared to the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC).

However, New York is the only state in the US where MMA is illegal. Here’s the best bit and why I loathe politics so much. The story presented regarding the illegality of MMA is one of barbarity. However, UFC president Dana White has a different view, and one I think carries a lot of weight. Speaking to europe-newsweek-com White said of the ban:

“It has nothing to do with mixed martial arts. It has to do with the Culinary Union. The Culinary Union is spending millions of dollars of all these people who pay dues to keep us out of there because my partners, the Fertitta brothers, are the largest non-union gaming company in the country.”

It seems someone may have done something to please the Culinary Union because the State Assembly recently passed a bill to legalize the sport, and it reportedly has the backing of New York State Governor Andrew M. Cuomo.

While online poker might not have the strength to bring the cliff walls crashing down. The persistent battering of online poker, MMA and Daily Fantasy Sports (DFS) might do the job. Regulation of DFS is also included in April’s budget plan.

In an article written by the New York Times, Assemblyman Daniel O’Donnell, a Democrat who opposes the MMA bill said: “When will it stop? When will we simply say: ‘You know what? We don’t have to go along with every other state?”

And if the real reasons behind the lock down on online poker and DFS was because of fears of gambling problems, and the lock down on MMA was the fear of people putting ankle locks on strangers in the street, then he would have a point.

But it’s not is it?

Some people think it’s about money.

I tend to side with Frank Underwood’s view on things:

“Money is the Mc-mansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. Power is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who doesn’t see the difference.”





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That's always something!
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In some ways, March was an exciting month for the online poker industry in the United States. New York looked more promising as its online poker bill makes good progress, and New Jersey was put under a big yet positive spotlight as PokerStars launched to players in the state and drove traffic and new accounts upward.

However, the buck stopped there. There was little news from other states that held promise when February came to an end. But as winter ends and spring bringing new energy and life, online poker advocates can only hope that a new season is also on the horizon for online poker.
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Just to the east of Pennsylvania is New Jersey. Some may argue that isn’t always a good thing, but stay with me on this one.

New Jersey legalized online poker and other forms of Internet gambling more than two years ago. From the launch through the end of February 2016, online gaming has garnered more than $309.5K in revenue (more than $60 million in online poker alone), with more than $46 million going to pay New Jersey taxes.

Those are substantial numbers for any state, especially in tough economic times. Pennsylvania is taking notes, and not only is the tax revenue appealing, but the assistance for the state’s gaming industry and expansion of it is very tempting. As Pennsylvania watches other states build land-based casinos and grow their customer bases, legislators know that the state must expand its gaming options in order to remain competitive and continue building a reputation as an Atlantic City alternative.

This month, PokerStars jumped into the New Jersey mix, and it is already making an impact on Resorts Casino business as the online gaming company’s partner. And in the first week alone, PokerStars has attracted hundreds of new customers to the statewide online gaming business, prompting cash game traffic alone to rise by 20%.
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Online poker forums can either be the crux of a website or a part of a larger portal that offers a variety of poker information. Poker players and fans use them for a number of reasons but generally as a place to share thoughts about poker hands, players, rumors, strategy, companies, tournaments, and other news.

Strategy

One of the best ways to improve as a poker player is to seek opinions on poker hands and hand histories. Forums offer the perfect place to post a hand or series of hands and request advice or opinions. In addition, many poker players enjoy offering advice and opinions as it forces them to examine hands and think more deeply about various aspects of the game.
Advice

Poker players who aren’t surrounded by poker playing friends often take to the forums to ask for advice on topics ranging from the rake of a poker room to withdrawal times from online poker sites. If a player wants to travel to the next WPT stop but wonders about the cash games at that casino, other players on the forum can weigh in with opinions. If a player wants to know if others are having trouble logging on to a particular site, they can ask around. Forums are great question-and-answer places.
News

While poker news websites offer articles about the latest news of the industry, online poker forums allow for discussions of those issues. If an online poker site is closing and players have questions about withdrawing their funds, a forum is the best place to find others with that information who are willing to share it.

In addition, many online poker companies now have forum representatives who spend time in forums to answer questions about big changes and happenings with their company.
Gossip

The online poker forum is the single best place in the industry to find out the latest gossip and rumors. Is Tom Dwan broke? Did Ray Bitar really get married? Is Eskimo still alive? Poker news sites sometimes address these topics, but those requiring speculation, memory, or someone “in the know” often end up on the forums.

Staking

Poker players often look elsewhere for others who are willing to buy pieces of their action in tournaments and even cash games. Online poker forums offer a place to post results and staking offers, seeking out those who want to buy action. Conversely, backers head to the forums to find players worthy of their investment. Places like 2+2 offer a special section just for this type of activity.
Tournament Information

Most tournament series have their own websites on which to advertise tournament schedules, whether for live or online events. However, players often turn to forums to post extra information, such as structure sheets, wire transfer details, and suggestions for accommodations.

At special times of the year, such as the WSOP marathon in Las Vegas each summer, players often compile lists of all of the tournaments around town and post them in forums for the convenience of others.

Whether looking for information about the temperature of a live poker room or the skill level of players in an online series, online poker forums are often the best place to find that information.
Accommodation Sharing

Poker players traveling to tournaments sometimes want to reduce their expenses by sharing hotel rooms. A great place to find like-minded players and others in similar situations is on the forums. It is also a way to find out if potential roommates are reliable, trustworthy, and otherwise decent people.








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The 2016 iGaming North America Conference took place this week, and one of the panels on Tuesday, called "Emerging Jurisdictions," involved New York State Assemblyman J. Gary Pretlow and Illinois State Representative Michael J. Zalewski. The two provided insight into the legislation progress of both online poker and daily fantasy sports (DFS) in their respective states, with Pretlow much more confident in DFS legislation moving forward than he was with online poker.

"As far as online poker is going, we're moving ahead very slowly and cautiously," said Pretlow to begin, citing "constitutional issues," although he did say that he believed he'll be able to get around those issues.

As for DFS, Pretlow's statements provided insight into a process that is further along than online poker, despite the determination of illegal gambling by the Attorney General of New York, Eric Schneiderman.

"With DFS, I know that everyone knows that the Attorney General of New York, Eric Schneiderman, had deemed daily fantasy sports operations to be illegal gambling under the State of New York's laws, and I've agreed with him," Pretlow said. "I've been in constant contact with FanDuel and DraftKings and we're in the process now of proposing legislation to legalize them. I'm halfway through looking at the various proposals in other states to see how they did it.

"I've come to find out that there are dozens of smaller daily fantasy sports operations operating in New York right now, so we're looking at it very closely. I really have until the end of our session, which is the end of June, to come up with some regulation. Otherwise the courts are going to rule that they're illegal operations and shut them down in September. Both large operators, FanDuel and DraftKings, have both ceased operations in New York, and I believe Yahoo has also ceased operations."



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Online poker is currently unregulated and therefore completely operates in a gray market in Poland. However, this could change soon as the country's government plans to introduce a draft of a new gaming bill by the end of the month which could, among other things, lead the way to a licensing regime for online poker.

According to DLA Piper's gaming lawyer Anna Wietrzyńska-Ciołkowska, gaming operators are potentially eligible to offer other forms of regulated online gaming including sports betting provided that they have a some presence in the country via a Polish branch or have a Polish speaking representative in the country.

While this has made it much easier for gaming companies to enter the Polish marketplace of 37.5 million residents, many companies have avoided obtaining a license due to the prohibitive 12 percent tax on turnover. Poker Industry Pro suggests that the draft may amend the tax to instead be a friendlier 20 percent of gross gaming revenue.

This, combined with potentially allowing regulated online poker could facilitate the collection of higher tax revenues for the country while also tackling the issue of gray operators which offer services despite not obtaining a Polish gaming license to do so. With the ability of offerring more games at a less prohibitive tax rate, operators that exited the market are more likely to return and unlicensed operators are more likely to become regulated.

Currently, many believe that the restrictive gaming laws preventing regulated online poker are not in compliance with that of EU law. This is believed by many to be one of the core reasons many major online gaming operators including PokerStars and partypoker continue to offer online poker to Polish residents.



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An amended online poker bill in California will have a hearing by the end of April, a tribal gaming insider told Card Player. The goal will be to move it out of committee.

Steve Stallings, chairman of the California Nations Indian Gaming Association, said that the legislation from Assemblyman Adam Gray, which was introduced in February, is “set to move ahead” and that Internet poker legislative efforts are “as close as [they’ve] ever been,” despite insider trading charges against the former CEO of Amaya Gaming, parent company of PokerStars.

PokerStars is in a California online poker coalition that includes the Morongo Band of Mission Indians, the San Manuel Band of Mission Indians, the United Auburn Indian Community, the Bicycle Casino, Commerce Casino and Hawaiian Gardens Casino. So-called “bad actor” provisions were considered a moot point because PokerStars was licensed last year in New Jersey, but the charges against David Baazov last month create a “difficult hill to climb” for the brand, Stallings said.

“It does raise if not red flags, caution flags,” Stallings said. “It does raise issues of corporate governance.”

Still, California tribes are prepared for competition in the online poker space, he said.

In April of last year, a different version of a bill from Gray advanced out of committee. It was the first and only time California lawmakers have voted on an online poker bill in at least six years worth of efforts. However, the state’s 2015 online poker hopes were deemed over by September.

California is the nation’s no. 1 tribal casino gambling market with roughly $7.3 billion in gaming revenue in 2014. That’s about 25 percent of the nationwide tribal casino gambling market.

“The resurgence of poker as a viable online game depends on California,” Stallings said. “One more hurdle [from PokerStars] does make it more difficult.”

The California online poker market has been estimated to be worth nearly $400 million a year. While there are 60 tribal casinos in the state, there are nearly 100 brick-and-mortar facilities statewide that offer poker. Despite the large market for poker, the state could likely only support 6-10 unique online poker operators, according to Stallings.

In addition to the bad actor issue, whether or not California racetracks should be allowed to offer online poker is the other big roadblock in the Golden State. Gray’s bill calls for the tracks to receive up to $60 million in revenue sharing per year from online poker operators, in exchange for not being in the space.

Though California could compact with another jurisdiction for online poker, the bill would first limit the games to those 21 and over and physically within the state’s borders. Additionally, in exchange for regulated online poker, players on unlicensed offshore sites could be subject to a felony charge under the current version of the bill.




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Five years ago, the online poker world was flipped upside down following the DOJ crackdown in America known as Black Friday. While many didn’t believe such an event could happen, there were signs that most of us ignored.

Today I want to take a look back to the events leading up to Black Friday and what led me to pull my funds mere months before the crackdown. What was left was hardly worth worrying over but ultimately it has taken over five years to fully recoup my bankroll from Full Tilt.




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Software developer Gamesys has entered the real money online poker market for the first time after creating and launching Wild Seat Poker via their Virgin Games platform.

PokerStars, et al., needn’t worry quite yet, but software developer Gamesys have dipped their toe into the lukewarm waters of real money online poker with the creation of Wild Seat Poker.

Gamesys acquired Virgin Games in January 2013 with a clear indication that they would use the platform to move into the real money gambling arena, and it’s this platform Gamesys have chosen to launch Wild Seat Poker. Virgin Games was born in 2003, as part of Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin Group.

The new game is a hybrid of Texas No-Limit Hold’em (NLHE), Spin & Go and Endemol UK’s Deal or No Deal. It’s not a game that will be taken too seriously by no-nonsense grinders, but I can see the appeal for the recreational gamblers looking for a spot of poker fun.

The buy-in levels are £1 or £4. Each game is four-max, and it’s a winner takes all format. This is where things get a little interesting. The four players are pre-designated mystery prizes selected at random should they win similar to the box style of Deal or New Deal. The winning prize only revealed once the last hand is played out. Player’s can win up to 10,000x their original buy-in.

Harking back to the good old days of the classic UK game show Bullseye, players who do get eliminated will have their potential prizes announced on screen. I can almost hear Jim Bowen saying, “come and have a look at what you could have won,” before showing a couple from a council estate in Birmingham how unfortunate they were because they didn’t win a speedboat.

The games will also contain some ‘hosts’. If the ‘hosts’ win the tournament, then any prize money won will be handed back to the players in a special weekly tournament. The new game is available to players residing in the UK.

Simon Mizzi (no relation to Sorel), Marketing Director, Gamesys believes the key to this game is the richness of the ‘social interaction,’ something that online poker organisers have lacked in favour of ‘financial motivations.’



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Regulated US online poker’s recent track record of being shunted out of the way in favor of trendier subjects continues in New York State, where advocates of a prominent pro-poker measure are now admitting that there’s little chance of movement on the topic this year. It’s more of the same-old, same-old for online poker in the US, whether the attention has been hampered by competing market interests (as in California) or attention to the hottest news topcs (daily fantasy sports) as has happened in several other states.

In New York, generally regarded as one of the most likely US states to approve regulated online poker in the near future, the delay is largely DFS-induced. Appearing via an online hookup at last week’s iGaming North America 2016 conference, New York State Assemblyman Gary Pretlow cast his doubts on online poker’s chances for 2016 in the Empire State.

“With online poker, there are some issues there and we’re not really prepared to introduce legislation that’s going to go to the floor for a vote,” said Pretlow. He and fellow NY state legislator John Bonacic have been among the driving forces for online-poker regulation in the state, which now finds itself buried behind the attention-grabbing DFS legal issue and New York’s own ongoing, land-based casino expansion plans. “You’re looking at a 100-1 shot to hit the floor, a 1,000-1 shot to hit the floor,” added Pretlow.

Pretlow also hinted at unspecified “constitutional issues” in his brief, enthusiasm-dampening statement. The online-poker topic had made it into preliminary New York State budget discussions, before being pulled from later budget talks. New York, as with several other states where online-poker bills have been introduced, is home to some tribal gaming operations. Whether any of the NY tribes have taken a hardline stance behind the scenes, similar to what occurred in California, remains unknown; however, tribal gaming interests have proven to have had a largely negative impact on online-poker regulatory efforts across the US.

Given the general support that Bonacic’s Senate Bill 5302 and Pretlow’s matching Assembly bill had enjoyed, it’s been a surprise. Bonacic’s bill even passing an early committee vote on a unanimous 9-0 count, upon which time it’s been effectively pigeon-holed. The development was, perhaps, not wholly unexpected, but it’s a sad turn of events nonetheless. Instead, NY legislators’ collective attention has been forcibly dragged over to the DFS front, in large part due to the high-visibility lawsuits brought by New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman against the two largest operators in that space, DraftKings and FanDuel.

Schneiderman’s NY AG office recently announced a partial settlement in the DraftKings/FanDuel cases, but even that settlement implied that the whole DFS issue in New York be brought before the state’s legislative bodies sooner rather than later. And that’s left Bonacic’s SB 5302 adrift and behind what most legislators view as more urgent needs.

It’s an ironic twist when one considers that the DFS industry would never have grown the way it did had online poker’s “Black Friday” occurred in 2011 – an event that celebrated its unhappy fifth anniversary just yesterday. The US online-poker industry accidentally created modern, online DFS, and due to DFS’ own legal issues has to wait behind its own creation for a chance to return to its old market grounds. Optimistic estimations post-Black Friday often asserted that 12-15 states were likely to legalize online poker in the first five years or so after the major gray market sites were forced to leave. Reality, as we have seen, has been much slower.



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Manne wrote:

Regulated US online poker’s recent track record of being shunted out of the way in favor of trendier subjects continues in New York State, where advocates of a prominent pro-poker measure are now admitting that there’s little chance of movement on the topic this year. It’s more of the same-old, same-old for online poker in the US, whether the attention has been hampered by competing market interests (as in California) or attention to the hottest news topcs (daily fantasy sports) as has happened in several other states.

In New York, generally regarded as one of the most likely US states to approve regulated online poker in the near future, the delay is largely DFS-induced. Appearing via an online hookup at last week’s iGaming North America 2016 conference, New York State Assemblyman Gary Pretlow cast his doubts on online poker’s chances for 2016 in the Empire State.

“With online poker, there are some issues there and we’re not really prepared to introduce legislation that’s going to go to the floor for a vote,” said Pretlow. He and fellow NY state legislator John Bonacic have been among the driving forces for online-poker regulation in the state, which now finds itself buried behind the attention-grabbing DFS legal issue and New York’s own ongoing, land-based casino expansion plans. “You’re looking at a 100-1 shot to hit the floor, a 1,000-1 shot to hit the floor,” added Pretlow.

Pretlow also hinted at unspecified “constitutional issues” in his brief, enthusiasm-dampening statement. The online-poker topic had made it into preliminary New York State budget discussions, before being pulled from later budget talks. New York, as with several other states where online-poker bills have been introduced, is home to some tribal gaming operations. Whether any of the NY tribes have taken a hardline stance behind the scenes, similar to what occurred in California, remains unknown; however, tribal gaming interests have proven to have had a largely negative impact on online-poker regulatory efforts across the US.

Given the general support that Bonacic’s Senate Bill 5302 and Pretlow’s matching Assembly bill had enjoyed, it’s been a surprise. Bonacic’s bill even passing an early committee vote on a unanimous 9-0 count, upon which time it’s been effectively pigeon-holed. The development was, perhaps, not wholly unexpected, but it’s a sad turn of events nonetheless. Instead, NY legislators’ collective attention has been forcibly dragged over to the DFS front, in large part due to the high-visibility lawsuits brought by New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman against the two largest operators in that space, DraftKings and FanDuel.

Schneiderman’s NY AG office recently announced a partial settlement in the DraftKings/FanDuel cases, but even that settlement implied that the whole DFS issue in New York be brought before the state’s legislative bodies sooner rather than later. And that’s left Bonacic’s SB 5302 adrift and behind what most legislators view as more urgent needs.

It’s an ironic twist when one considers that the DFS industry would never have grown the way it did had online poker’s “Black Friday” occurred in 2011 – an event that celebrated its unhappy fifth anniversary just yesterday. The US online-poker industry accidentally created modern, online DFS, and due to DFS’ own legal issues has to wait behind its own creation for a chance to return to its old market grounds. Optimistic estimations post-Black Friday often asserted that 12-15 states were likely to legalize online poker in the first five years or so after the major gray market sites were forced to leave. Reality, as we have seen, has been much slower.



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On Wednesday, April 27, California will hold another online poker hearing in hopes of beginning the process of ending a political stalemate on the issue that has lasted years.

The hearing will be at 1:30 p.m. local time in Sacramento, and it will take place in the Assembly Committee on Governmental Organization. The online poker bill is classified as an “urgency” measure.

Audio of the hearing will be available here.

The chair of the committee, Assemblyman Adam Gray, is the sponsor of the legislation. An earlier version of his bill passed out of the committee last year, which was the first (and only) time ever that a California online poker bill advanced in the Golden State legislature. That was in April of last year. The bill was deemed dead by the fall without ever clearing the full Assembly.

This year’s legislation was introduced on Feb. 19.

The two main hurdles for California online poker have been the tribal gaming industry pushing back against the racetracks participating in online poker and some tribes opposing PokerStars being a player in the space. The latter point is the so-called “bad actor” provision.

PokerStars’ former owners were indicted by the federal government in 2011, and the company ended up settling without admitting to any wrongdoing whatsoever.

Gray’s new bill calls for up to $60 million to go to the racing industry in exchange for the tracks not being involved in a market potentially worth nearly $400 million. PokerStars, which was licensed in New Jersey last year, has been lobbying in Sacramento, but its efforts could be complicated by the former CEO of its parent company being charged with insider trading in Canada.

California is the nation’s no. 1 tribal casino gambling market with roughly $7.3 billion in gaming revenue in 2014. That’s about 25 percent of the nationwide tribal casino gambling market.



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French online gambling operator Betclic Everest Group has decided the country’s regulated online poker market cannot afford to support two poker sites.

This week, Betclic Everest informed players of its EverestPoker.fr site that the site would be closing as of May 31. However, the site’s players will be migrated to the company’s other French-facing poker site, Betclic.fr, which operates on the same platform, starting April 28.

According to emails sent to players by Betclic Everest CEO Isabelle Andres, there was “no logic” in one company maintaining two poker sites in a market that has demonstrated such disdain for operator profits.

Besides, Andres suggested the Everest Poker players would enjoy the Betclic site’s additional options of horseracing and sports wagering, particularly given the UEFA Euro 2016 football marathon that kicks off June 10.

Migrating isn’t mandatory, obviously, but Betclic has promised to honour the VIP status and Summit Points of those who agree to the switch. For those who opt not to switch, Betclic will honor all withdrawal requests. For those who are currently in a coma or trapped under something heavy, all Everest Poker accounts that remain open after May 31 will be automatically refunded, albeit not until sometime in October.

Everest Poker will continue to operate outside of France for the time being, but the French pas de deux may have the Betclic Everest braintrust thinking about achieving similar cost savings in other markets.

The French regulated poker market saw revenue decline 4% in 2015, the fifth consecutive year of dwindling returns. France has been a cruel mistress for most poker operators, as Winamax, PokerStars.fr and PartyPoker.fr are believed to control 90% of the market. Everest Poker’s exit leaves the market with just nine active sites.


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Among the many weighty questions that Russia's government has struggled with in recent months -- of war and peace, budget cuts and sanctions -- is this one: Is poker a game of skill or chance?

The answer is far from trivial. It will go a long way to determining whether Russia can legalize online poker, and so bring the craze for the game which has swept the nation in recent years within reach of the nation's tax collectors. It's a debate that's closely bound up with the fate of Russia's proud traditions in chess.

During the Soviet era, chess tables could be seen in every Russian or eastern European park, with dozens of players lost in concentration. Cheap and egalitarian, chess became the Soviet Union's leading "sport" of the mind, producing more champions than any other nation on Earth. Celebrities at home, they traveled the world.

And yet, just 25 years later, chess has been nudged almost into the margins of ex-Soviet society -- by nakedly mercenary poker.

For many chess players, the card game of American folklore and gangster movies has become a life changer. Their composure and intelligence, their ability to quickly evaluate a situation and calculate options, to absorb theory and concentrate for hours at a time make them outstanding poker players, too. The big difference is that when they play cards, they stand to win substantial amounts of money.

Although online poker is illegal in Russia, the game has spread rapidly. A poll in 2013 found that 16 percent of Russians (or 20 million people) played poker, up five percentage points from just two years earlier. That proportion is probably higher again today, three years on. Pokerstars - the world's largest online operator - reports that Russians account for 8.4 percent of all users of its on sites, second only to the U.S. Dmitry Andreikin, born in the Russia Soviet Federative Socialist Republic in 1990, and currently fifth in the World Chess Federation's ranking for Russia, is among the converts. So is Almira Skripchenko, born in the Moldovan Soviet Socialist Republic in 1976. She takes part in the World Series of Poker, among other tournaments.

That so much economic activity is happening on foreign websites represents a loss to Russia in terms of potential tax revenue. The opportunity cost seems to have dawned on Russian officials as the state slides into financial distress, caused by a mixture of falling oil prices and Western retaliation against its foreign military interventions. Now the government is considering whether to build a legal, regulated online gaming system to boost the tax revenues.

First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov has been the main promoter of this potential U-turn. In 2014, he pushed the ministries of Economic Development and Justice to produce a report on legalizing online poker, its taxation and regulation. Now a decision appears to be closer. In a nod to sensitivities about the decline of chess, the government plans to use the tax proceeds that result to fund the National Chess Federation, so that it can foster passion for the game once more.

Another major goal of the project would be to ensure that poker winnings remain in Russia. Marina Bludyan, Chairwoman of the public council of the Poker Enthusiast League, was reported as saying that international operators would be asked to keep data servers in Russia, and forbidden from transferring the data collected abroad. That way they can be made accountable to Russia's tax authorities, while all unregistered sites would be considered illegal, she said.

All this activity has sparked a lively public debate on the morality of poker, much of which has focused on the question of whether the card game should be categorized as one of skill (like chess), or of chance. If it's a game of skill, then legalizing its playing online would be relatively straightforward. If it's a form of gambling, that becomes far more complicated. The government seems to be leaning toward skill.

Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, the multi-millionaire Russian businessman, former president of the Russian Republic of Kalmykia, and head of the World Chess Federation, says that online poker "should be legalized; too many people are involved and are playing online. There are no reasons that it should be hidden and illegal." He has proposed that poker should be included in the International Mind Sports Association -- representing chess, bridge, checkers and the Chinese game of Go -- of which he is also president.

Whatever the niceties of poker's categorization, which has also exercised Dutch courts in the past, legalizing online poker makes sense for Russia. It would boost the government coffers at a time of need. And, by following the French model in which regulatory powers go to the Ministry of Finance, rather than a sporting agency, the government could do much to ensure the resulting revenues don't get waylaid by oligarchs.

In any case, it's clear that the presumed goal of criminalization -- to discourage the game's spread in Russia -- is not being achieved. Despite being widely considered less prestigious than chess, online poker's potential financial rewards ensure the game's continued popularity. Making online poker illegal has done nothing to prevent Russians from playing on websites that belong to foreign companies, or to Russian ones registered abroad. The sole impact of legalization would be to bring that business onshore.

And who knows, maybe poker will become the 21st-century equivalent for Russians of Soviet chess -- played across the nation's parks and producing an array of globe-trotting champions, who are treasured at home and ambassadors for Russian intellectual prowess abroad.

Gregory Mathieu is a former Belgian diplomat and the current director of the Brussels-based Foundation for Democracy and Governance.



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